Post Mormon Peace

Meet in the Middle

In this episode of Post Mormon Peace, we explore what it really means to meet in the middle when beliefs, identities, and experiences diverge. Rather than arguing to be right or trying to change someone’s mind, we talk about how curiosity, empathy, and genuine listening create bridges across ideological and religious divides. We share a personal story about navigating a political disagreement with a close friend — not by debating, but by asking questions to understand his why.
This conversation challenges the idea that people leaving a faith tradition need to remain quiet, neutral, or distant to maintain peace. Instead, we discuss how connection and mutual respect can thrive even when beliefs have changed. Whether you’re navigating family relationships, friendships, or community spaces, this episode offers practical tools for staying grounded, communicating with compassion, and recognizing shared humanity across differences.
Keywords: post-mormon, faith transition, religious differences, communication, empathy, curiosity, bridge-building, relationships, understanding.

Coming Back to the Table: The Imperfect Side of Peace

From the outside, it can look like I’ve built a perfectly peaceful life of open conversations and harmony. The truth? Choosing openness often means choosing discomfort. In this episode, I talk about what peace actually looks like in practice—the messy parts, the triggers, and the moments I’d rather keep my mouth shut.
I share recent stories with a sibling, my dad, a close friend, my wife, and a raw moment with my mom where I snapped, then called back to apologize. You’ll hear how I’m learning to zoom out (think S&P 500 growth curve) and keep “coming back to the table”—again and again. Peace isn’t the absence of conflict; it’s a commitment to connection, repair, and telling the truth with love.
If you’ve ever stayed silent too long, lost your cool, or said something you regret, this one’s for you.
Highlights / Takeaways
Peace is an internal practice, not a perfect outcome.
Triggers happen; repair is what keeps relationships growing.
“Coming back to the table” > “winning” the conversation.
Zoom out: judge growth over years, not days.
Apologizing doesn’t erase convictions—it deepens connection.
Gentle Note
This episode includes candid reflections on LDS culture/leadership from my current perspective. If you’re a believing member and that feels tender right now, feel free to skip—or listen with curiosity and care.
Call to Action
Got a story to share? I’d love to hear from you or have you on the show: postmormonpeace@gmail.com

Parenting Without Pressure: Love, Trust, and Letting Go (Part 2 with Ashlyn)

In this heartfelt follow-up episode, Derek sits down once again with his teenage daughter, Ashlyn, for an open conversation about how parenting in their family has evolved—especially since leaving the Mormon church.
They explore the transformation from a model of correction and control to one centered on love, trust, open communication, and emotional freedom. Derek shares insights from working with coach Steve Hardison and discusses how one powerful shift in focus—“my sole and primary purpose as a parent is to love and accept my children”—has changed everything.
Ashlyn brings her honest, thoughtful perspective as she reflects on what it’s like being parented in this environment of emotional safety. From decision-making and self-criticism to arguments with siblings and the importance of feeling heard, Ashlyn offers a wise and articulate voice of her own growth and the strength of their evolving family dynamic.

I Asked My Teenage Daughter What It Was Like to Leave the Church at 10

In this special episode, Derek invites his 14-year-old daughter Ashlyn onto the podcast for a vulnerable and illuminating conversation about what it was like to grow up in the LDS Church and then face the family’s transition out of it.
Ashlyn offers her personal reflections on what the church meant to her, how she experienced the family's decision to leave, and how her worldview has shifted since. With impressive depth and emotional honesty, she opens up about feelings of shock, confusion, sadness, betrayal, and ultimately growth—providing rare insight into how a thoughtful teen navigates a major faith transition.
This episode is a must-listen for any post-Mormon parent trying to understand what it’s like for kids to process religious change, and how to better support them through it.

Tables Turned: Jourdan Interviews Derek

In this introspective and candid episode, Jordan takes the interviewer seat to explore Derek’s journey in launching the Post-Mormon Peace podcast. The discussion uncovers the emotional and logistical challenges of speaking publicly about leaving Mormonism, especially after moving back into Utah County with young children. Derek shares his motivations, inner fears, and the mindset shifts that helped him push forward.
Together, they delve deep into topics like acceptance, navigating relationships post-faith transition, the importance of self-love, and fostering meaningful dialogue with those who remain in the church. The episode stands as both a personal reflection and a practical guide for others navigating similar journeys.
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Still Going to Church, Still Not Sure: Blake Lawler on Doubt, Duty, and Doing His Best

What happens when the life you've built around your faith begins to crack — and you're no longer sure if you believe?
In this powerful and heartfelt conversation, Derek reconnects with Blake Lawler, a fellow former missionary and dentist, who opens up about his journey navigating a crisis of faith within a devoted LDS family. Blake shares how one quiet moment of research unraveled deeply held beliefs, the emotional toll of carrying doubts in silence, and the complexities of being a father and husband when your beliefs no longer align with your family's.
This episode explores:
The emotional weight of doubting in silence
How to support a believing spouse while deconstructing
Raising children with integrity and openness
Finding peace, purpose, and growth beyond belief
Whether you're questioning, believing, or somewhere in between, Blake's honesty will leave you feeling seen, inspired, and less alone.
Reach out to Blake at blake.lawlor@gmail.com
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Two Sides of a Faith Story: My Wife’s Journey

This might be one of the most important conversations we’ve had on the podcast. I interview my wife, Jenny, as she tells her story—what it was like growing up in a faith she loved, how she handled my early doubts, and what eventually led to her own deconstruction. Her story is full of grace, struggle, and transformation. Whether you’re in the middle of your own faith shift or just want to better understand a loved one, this conversation is for you.
Reach out to Jenny at jennymwilliams1@gmail.com
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Part Two with Steve Quesenberry: Love and Understanding

In the second part of my conversation with Steve Questenberry, we dive deep into the complexities of faith transitions—both for those leaving the church and for those who remain. Steve shares his experiences working with individuals questioning their faith, the importance of open dialogue, and how love and understanding can heal divides. We also discuss the power of listening without an agenda, personal growth through difficult conversations, and the lessons he has learned as a leader, father, and friend.
🎧 Topics covered:✔️ The role of fear and defensiveness in faith transitions✔️ How both sides of the conversation can experience pain and growth✔️ The importance of listening and loving without expectations✔️ Finding peace with uncertainty and embracing life’s journey
Reach out to Steve at: steve@kittsgroup.com

I Interviewed My Parents Previous Stake President: Steve Quesenberry

In this episode, I sit down for an in-person conversation with Steve Questenberry, former stake president and lifelong seeker of understanding. Steve shares his personal journey—from growing up in a troubled home in San Diego to joining the LDS Church as a teenager and later serving as a bishop and stake president. We discuss his faith journey, the impact of family dynamics on belief, and how he navigated the challenges of leadership within the church. Steve also reflects on the importance of understanding history, the impact of the Joseph Smith Papers, and the evolving landscape of faith within the LDS Church.
🎧 Topics covered:✔️ Steve’s conversion story and family dynamics✔️ Seeking answers and the role of personal faith✔️ Navigating leadership and change within the church✔️ The impact of the Joseph Smith Papers on historical understanding
Reach out to Steve at: steve@kittsgroup.com

From CEO Alex Sharp-Beyond Religion: Finding Purpose, Morality, and Connection

In this episode, Derek Williams sits down with friend and boss, Alex Sharp to discuss personal growth, belief systems, and the search for meaning. They explore the balance between faith and skepticism, how childhood experiences shape our moral compass, and the power of focus and intentionality in life and business.